Ecclesiastes Chapter 2. … But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun. the evil works of oppressors, and the sorrows of the oppressed. Ecclesiastes 4:4. In Ecclesiastes 12:9 he mentions that he set in order many proverbs. Font Size. From the hand of their oppressors comes violence, and there is none to comfort them! suffer. The funeral and the wedding, the hired mourners and the guests at the marriage-feast, are set against one another. 2 So I concluded that the dead are better off than the living. Yea, better is he than both they.] The abortion that perishes unborn, as infants which never saw light. Vanity of Toil. Ecclesiastes 4:9-12. 3 ... Ecclesiastes 2 Ecclesiastes 4. 24. 3. How this is true, see on the foregoing verse. 9 Two ... Read full chapter. Yet it has many times been expressed, if not felt. 17 I said to myself, “God will judge both the righteous and the wicked,” for there is a time [appointed] for every matter and for every deed. Yet it has many times been expressed, if not felt. CHAPTER 4. Such a feeling of human misery is not only natural, but is intended by God "who brings us into circumstances which call it forth. and Theognis.) The abortion that perishes unborn, as infants which never saw light, escapes all suffering. Dance Dancing Laugh Mourn Skip Sorrow Time Weep Weeping. Parallel with this is the passage (Ecclesiastes 3) where Job, who had no peace nor repose, and who was disturbed ever afresh, wishes for himself the lot of "an hidden untimely birth," and curses the day of his birth, or where in Ecclesiastes 3:20 of the same chapter he asks—"Wherefore is light given to him that is in misery, and life to the bitter in soul?" … But most fortunate of all are those who are not yet born. 1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem. ). 16 Moreover, I have seen under the sun that in the place of justice there is wickedness, and in the place of righteousness there is wickedness. 6 years ago. Ecclesiastes 4:3 But better than both is he who has not yet existed, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun. With increased force of expression the author here says that it is better not to have been born at all than to live. In regard to such expressions, however, we must remark that so far as they occur in Scripture they contain only one side of the truth. 2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. Our Price: $25.99 Save: $14.00 (35%) Buy Now. Ecclesiastes 4:3. escapes all suffering. Yea, better is he than both they— Nay, I say, he is happier than either, who is not yet come to life, who hath not seen the misery that prevaileth under the sun. Again, I considered all travail— I observed again all the labour, nay, all the most successful work, that for this, &c. Which hath not yet been; who was never born. …. a 2 And those now dead, I declared more fortunate in death than are the living to be still alive. I saw the tears of the oppressed, with no one to comfort them. chapter 1 chapter 2 chapter 3 chapter 4 chapter 5 chapter 6 chapter 7 chapter 8 chapter 9 chapter 10 chapter 11 chapter 12. verse: verse 1 verse 2 verse 3 verse 4 verse 5 verse 6 verse 7 verse 8 verse 9 verse 10 verse 11 verse 12 verse 13 verse 14 verse 15 verse 16. Life is certainly a blessing of God, though never so calamitous. Therefore I praised the dead who were already dead, More than the living who are still alive. The Jews, from this passage, endeavour to prove the pre-existence of human souls, and suppose that such an one is here meant, which, though created, was not yet sent into this world in a body, and so had never seen evil and sorrow; and this way some Christian writers have gone. Not seen — Not felt: for as seeing good is put for enjoying it, so seeing evil is put for suffering it. בוְשַׁבֵּ֧חַ אֲנִ֛י … Yet all of these failed to bring a lasting satisfaction to the wisest man of all time. Of envy, sloth, quarrel, Ecclesiastes 4:4-6. Ecclesiastes 3:4. Though one person may be overpowered by … New International Version … Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been. Ecclesiastes 1:14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit. "A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up [that which is] planted;" … So I returned, and considered all the oppressions that are done vnder the sunne; & behold the teares … Hence, the soul doesn"t have a pre-existence (as taught by Mormonism). To report dead links, typos, or html errors or suggestions about making these resources more useful use the convenient, International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun. not felt; for as seeing good is put for enjoying it, Ecclesiastes 2:24, so seeing evil is put for suffering it, as hath been more than once observed. Yea, better is he than both they which hath not yet been,.... That is, an unborn person; who is preferred both to the dead that have seen oppression, and to the living that are under it; see Job 3:10. In proof of which the same Jeremiah, in a passage immediately preceding the one just quoted, says: "Sing unto the Lord, praise ye the Lord, for he delivers the soul of the needy from the hand of the evil doers." that is done under the sun. Note, the person who hasn"t been born, has never existed. Ecclesiastes 4:3 Yea, better [is he] than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun. Ecclesiastes 4:3 Yea, better [is he] than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun. The tears of the oppressed, But they have no comforter— On the side of their oppressors there is power, But they have no comforter. This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind. saith the prophet: [Lamentations 3:39] and it is as if he should say, Man, if alive, hath some cause of comfort amidst all his miseries; if he may escape though but "with the skin of his teeth," [Job 19:20] and have his life for a prey, he should see matter of thankfulness, and say, "It is the Lord’s mercy that I am not consumed" [Lamentations 3:22] - that I am yet on this side hell. NRSV, Thinline Bible, Large Print, Bonded Leather, Black, Comfort Print. ECCLESIASTES CHAPTER 4. Again, I considered all travail, and every right work, that for this a man is envied of his neighbour. 1 Again, I observed all the oppression that takes place under the sun. This supposes a person to be that never was, a mere nonentity; and the judgment made is according to sense, and regards the dead purely as such, and so as free from evils and sorrows, without any respect to their future state and condition; for otherwise an unborn person is not happier than the dead that die in Christ, and live with him: and it can only be true of those that perish, of whom indeed it might be said, that it would have been better for them if they had never been born, according to those words of Christ, Matthew 26:24; and is opposed to the maxim of some philosophers, that a miserable being is better than none at all. (Chalcid. - A time to weep, and a time to laugh, grouped naturally with a time to mourn, and a time to dance. 3.Better’ not yet been — The dead have suffered; the living now suffer. 24. Yes, better is he than both they, which has not yet been, who has not seen the evil work that is done under the sun. 3 There is a time(A)for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: 2 a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot,(B) 3 a time to kill(C)and a time to heal, 4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. The Uselessness of Selfish Toil - Then I returned and considered all the oppression that is done under the sun: And look! A time to weep and a time to laugh. Who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun. John Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, Matthew Poole's English Annotations on the Holy Bible, George Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible - Unabridged, Ernst Hengstenberg on John, Revelation, Ecclesiastes, Ezekiel & Psalms. New International Version. Please enter your email address associated with your Salem All-Pass account, then click Continue. --- But they considered only temporal inconveniences. Ver. If there is no life beyond this life, then the living have only the prospect of looking forward to seeing and experiencing suffering. New International Version (NIV) Bible Book List. It has been interpreted also of the Messiah, who in Solomon's time had not yet been a man, and never known sorrow, which he was to do, and has, and so more happy than the dead or living. 3 a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, 4 a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, 5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing, 6 a time to search and a time to give up, Ecclesiastes 4:3. Ecclesiastes 3. “They have slept, they have been at rest.” Very wretched must he be to whom cold and dark non-existence seems better than the warm experiences of life and action. There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens New King James Version grouped the chapter: Ecclesiastes 4:1–3 = The Uselessness of Selfish Toil Ecclesiastes 4:4–8 = The Vanity of Selfish Toil Ecclesiastes 4:9–12 = The Value of a Friend Ecclesiastes 4:13–16 = Popularity Passes Away 4 And I saw that all toil and all achievement spring from one person’s envy of another. And a man may prevail against him who is alone, yet two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken. Ecclesiastes Chapter 3 Discussion Page 4 < Back to Ecclesiastes Chapter 3 Enter New Comment . 1 If this life is all there is, then it would be better not to be born, then to experience the pain and suffering that this life has to offer. Ecclesiastes 3 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) Everything Has Its Time. 1:1+12 the author calls himself son of David and king in Jerusalem. Only in this way can Jahveh, the true and absolute Being, become to us what he really is. Not seen, i.e. (Worthington) --- The pagan sages observed, that it was "best for mortals not to be born; and if they were, to die very soon." Ecclesiastes 4:4 Again, I considered all travail, and every right work, that for this a man is envied of his neighbour. 3 But most fortunate of all are those who are not yet born. Ecclesiastes 5. 3. Psalm 55:6-11 And I said, Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at rest…. So also when Jeremiah in Jeremiah 20 curses the day of his birth, and in Jeremiah 20:18 complains, "Wherefore came I forth out of the womb to see labour and sorrow, that my days should be consumed with shame?" 2. But better off than both of them is the one who has never existed, who has never seen the evil activity that is done under the sun. Yea, better is he than both they. Born. Why is living man sorrowful? 1 Again I saw all the oppressions that take place under the sun: the tears of the victims with none to comfort * them! If a man prevails against one who is alone, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken. Ver. Jump to Previous. Ecclesiastes Saint Jerome, Bible Foundation and On-Line Book Initiative, Ed. In verse 16 he speaks of his great wisdom which according to 1 Kings 3:12; 1 Kings 4:2 f; 10:1 only King Solomon had. The advantage of society and friendship, Ecclesiastes 4:9-12. are happier than the living, who are still alive. Πάντων μὲν μὴ φῦναι ἐπιχθονίοισιν ἄριστον, Φύντα δ ὅπως ὤκιστα πύλας Ἀι'´δαο περῆσαι, "Nam nos decebat, caetus celebrantes, domum. 3 But better than both. Ecclesiastes 3:1-4 NIV - A Time for Everything - There is a time - Bible Gateway. But those that have set their hearts upon earthly things, if ever they lose them, they are filled almost with unmedicineable sorrows; so as they will praise the dead above the living, and wish they had never been born. Bible > Ecclesiastes > Chapter 3 > Verse 4 ... Ecclesiastes 3:4 5287 dance 5387 leisure, pastimes 5900 laughter. A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; Oh that I had given up the ghost, and no eye had seen me! A time to weep and a time to laugh. Which hath not yet been - Better never to have been born into the world, than to have seen and suffered so many miseries. No worldly blessing is a greater one.”— Theognis. Ecclesiastes 6:3-5 If a man beget an hundred children, and live many years, so that the days of his years be many, and his soul be not filled with good, and also that he have no burial; I say, that an untimely birth is better than he…, Job 3:10-16 Because it shut not up the doors of my mother's womb, nor hid sorrow from mine eyes…, Job 10:18,19 Wherefore then hast thou brought me forth out of the womb? Ecclesiastes 3:2; Ecclesiastes 3:4 Read chapter in New International Version. The heathen could say, Optimum non nasci: proximum mori. And I praise the dead who have already died, more than the living who are still alive. As we begin (chapter 2 verses 1-11), we find that Solomon pursued fulfillment through pleasure (verse 1-2), wine (verse 3), great works (verses 4-6), wealth (verses 7-8), aesthetic and artistic pleasures (verse 8), and fame (verse 9). This [is] also vanity and vexation of spirit. Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun. Conjunctive waw | Adjective - masculine singular, Preposition-m | Number - mdc | third person masculine plural, Who, which, what, that, when, where, how, because, in order that, Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular, Verb - Nifal - Perfect - third person masculine singular, The sun, the east, a ray, a notched battlement, OT Poetry: Ecclesiastes 4:3 Yes better than them both is him (Ecclesiast. Ecclesiastes 3:3-4 a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, Read verse in New International Version But the affliction of the just procureth glory for them. Ecclesiastes 3:1-4 5880 humour. Ver. "But better off than both of them is the one who has never existed, who has never seen the evil activity that is done under the sun.". “They have slept, they have been at rest.” Very wretched must he be to whom cold and dark non-existence seems better than the warm experiences of life and action. In Ecclesiastes chap. Retail: $39.99. Bible > Ecclesiastes > Chapter 3 > Verse 4 Ecclesiastes 3:4 ... Verse 4. Desvoeux. The oppressors have great power, and their victims are helpless. For they have not seen all the evil that is done under the sun. My question is, the first part of the verse is talking about what is, that 's present,now and then God says in the last part of the verse that it has already been. Ec Ecc Eccles. Religion has in view the danger of sin, and the desire of eternal happiness, Romans vii. 3 What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun? Of covetousness and selfishness, Ecclesiastes 4:7,8. It is better to have no existence than to be in eternal misery, Matthew xxvi. But these are senses that will not bear; the first is best; and the design is to show the great unhappiness of mortals, that even a nonentity is preferred to them; who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun? A Time for Everything - There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, a time to kill and a ... A Time for Everything - There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: a time to be born and a time to … Ecclesiastes 4:4 Again, I considered all travail, and every right work, that for this a man is envied of … Fred Morency on Ecclesiastes 3:15. 3. Through much tribulation must our hold on earthly things be loosened and ourselves enter into the kingdom of God. is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil. The vanity of oppression, by reason of which the dead and the unborn are better than the living, Ecclesiastes 4:1-3. Ecclesiastes 2:17 Therefore I hated life; because the work that is wrought under the sun is grievous unto me: for all is vanity and vexation of spirit. Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 4903 time 5547 speech, power of. 4. Ecclesiastes 4:4 Again, I considered all travail, and every right work, that for this a man is envied of … By thoroughly disgusting us with the world, and by making us realize its absolute vanity, God means to draw us to himself. In other words, sometime in the past. Bible Gateway Recommends. Update. These are they whom Solomon in this sentence is by some thought to personate. There are seasons when those who belong to the kingdom of God must weep, because the Lord hides his face from the house of Israel, ( Isaiah 8:17 ) and there are also times when they can rejoice. A Time for Everything. 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